Newsgroups: alt.drugs.psychedelics
From: nobody you need to worry about
Subject: Phalaris
Message-ID: <1994Nov6.163912.25404@blaze.trentu.ca>
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 16:39:12 GMT

Anyone got any good refs that include pictures of P. Arundinacea?
Or, why not take what you've grown and scan it?

Here are some refs I got e-mailed to me recently:

Maten, G. C., et al.  1973.  Alkaloids and palatability of P. 
  arundinacea grown in diverse environments.  Agronomy Journal
  65:199-201

Woods, D. L., et. al.  1971.  Genetic control and seasonal variation
  of some alkaloids in reed canary grass.  Can Journal of 
  Plant Science 51:323-329  (Can=Canadian, just in case :)

Simons, A. B., et. al.  1971.  Relationship of indole alkaloids to
  palatabilit of P. arundinacea.  Agronomy Journal 63:915-919

Numerous studies have been conducted on palatability variation to
grazing sheep and cattle--I don't think 'taste of the smoke of the 
extract (however crude it may be) of P. Arundinacea' would be 
included...HaHaHaaaaa.  Ha?

Is it likely to be found in Ontario?  If so, let me know before 
it's too late (Winter's coming you know!)

- like i said, nobody you need to worry about.

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs.psychedelics
Subject: Re: DMT Grasses
Date: 4 Nov 1995 22:18:56 -0600

In article <deadDHG70o.67L@netcom.com>, ja <dead@netcom.com> wrote:
>ALL strains of P. Arundinaceae (and tuberosa/aquatica for that mater) 
>that I have read analysis of contain both DMT and 5meodmt.  
>Unfortunately, many have a higher active does of 5meodmt than DMT.

Don't believe the hype.

Simons, A. B., and G. C. Marten.  1971.  Relationship of indole alkaloids 
	to palatability of Phalaris arundinacea L.  Agronomy Journal 63:
	915-919.

"We screened 411 diverse genotype of reed canarygrass (Phalaris 
arundinacea L.) for palatability to sheep.  Indole alkaloid type and 
concentration were estimated  in selected plants... Either gramine or 
5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine (5-MeO-DMT) + N,N-dimethyltryptamine 
(DMT) were the primary alkaloids in all genotypes."

There's been a lot of research on Phalaris since it's an exotic species 
which is displacing many native grasses and because it causes sheep who 
eat it to stagger and die.  I got into it a little this summer, here are 
some other fun reference you might want to follow up on:

Marten, G. C., A. B. Simons, and J. R. Frelich.  1974.  Alkaloids of reed 
	canarygrass as influenced by nutrient supply.  Agronomy Journal 
	66: 363-368.

"Because total alkaloid concentration in this grass is highly heritable, 
plant breeders should be able to develop low-alkaloid cultivars."

Ball, D. M., and C. S. Hoveland.  1978.  Alkaloid levels in Phalaris 
	aquatica L. as affected by environment.  Agronomy Journal 70:
	977-981.

"Drought stress caused greater alkaloid increases both in field and 
environmental chamber studies than did any other factor."

Mack, J. P. G, D. P. Mulvena, and M. Slaytor.  1988.  
	N,N-dimethyltryptamine production in Phalaris aquatica seedlings: 
	a mathematical model for its synthesis.  Plant Physiology 88:
	315-320.

I've got some other ones, but those three should get you all thinking.  
One of these days I'll start looking for more info.