I saw the posting about the Hawaiian Baby Rosewood seeds, and Wanted to throw
in my two cents...

	Last night, two of my friends and I decided to try Hawaiian Baby
Rosewood seeds. We went to the local head shop and got ten each, took them home
and set out to remove any coating. We had heard/read that we should take
anywhere from 6-15 seeds each, and after consulting with the clerk, who we
knew, and had done them on several occasions, we settled on 8 each, expecting a
fairly decent trip. 
	We got them home and scraped off all of the coating to the best of our
ability, and then washed them off. We were carefull to remove all of the
coating, scraping off the coating and part of the shell with x-acto knives.
(Realizing that we'd still get part of the coating, but still wishing to keep
it to a minimum.) 
	After scraping and washing, we crushed the seeds up and placed them
aside for later. 'K' and 'G' had to work, so we were going to do them when they
got off.
	Around 9pm 'K' and 'G' came over and we downed the seeds. I had not
eaten for about 6hrs, 'K' for about 3, and 'G' had just eaten. 
	After 15 min. I had started to feel the effects. The onset was like
being dizzy, or groggy after having just gotten up. In about 20 min, K started
to feel the same effects while G just felt sick to his stomach. This feeling of
groggyness persisted until 10:30, when I proceeded to throw up violently. K
said he was feeling fine, and was beginning to have what he termed "A really
mellow trip" G still only felt sick.
	I felt much better after my episode, but was still feeling drained, so
I decided to leave K and G and go to bed. This is what they told me happened to
them. They went to get something to eat around 12:30 (when I went to bed). they
walked around in some woods near where we live, and said it was pleasant. Quite
like a very mild trip, then around 2:00, they split up and went home thinking
it was over. 
	When G got home (about 2:30) he said he became violently ill, and lost
everything he had eaten the entire day. He then tried to go to sleep.
	K said he went home and tried to sleep, but found himself peaking,
experiencing a dizzying trip with very intense tactile, and visual
hallucinations. He got up from bed and ended up wandering over to G's house
without putting on any additional clothing (wearing only bed-shorts) and then
sitting on his steps crying. G didn't experience this sort of peak at all, and
found that he was able to calm K down by talking him out of it. (K said
afterwards it was like he imagined a bad trip being like. We have done acid on
*many* occasions together, and have *never* had a bad experience with acid).
After G talked him down, they both managed to sleep, and awoke today feeling a
little hungry, and just generally groggy.
	Meanwhile, I had gone home, still feeling a bit queasy, and decided
that I needed sleep more than anything, so I laid down (at 12:30 or so) and
tried to sleep. I managed to get to sleep okay, my stomach still aching a bit,
and slept fine until 3:30. 
	At 3:30 I awoke in the midsts of the most intense trip I have ever
experienced. My thoughts were totally random and I was experiencing *intense*
visuals from the moonlight shadows in my room. I managed to stand up, and found
that so incredibly difficult that I had to lay back down. My roomate then came
out of his room to go to the bathroom, and I found this to be more than I could
take... His image against the shadows in my room through me into some really
wild hallicinations of wolves and various creatures devouring my flesh. In
addition to the visuals, I was getting *major* tactile hallucinations from my
sheets. My skin felt like I was being tickled everywhere, and was in the throws
of a major orgasm. (Not unpleasant mind you ;) However it was a bit too intense
for my tastes. I had several hallucinations of animal images, combined with the
urge to run. I contemplated running over to see K and G and if they were having
this stuff happen too, but when my roomate appeared, I was too scared to move
much. I found it extremely difficult to diferentiate between reality and my
hallucinations. (I didn't like this aspect of it at all. When I trip on acid, I
usually find that, even though I do hallucinate, I am still conscious of the
fact that they are only hallucinations. On the seeds I really couldn't tell.)
	After laying there hallucinating I fell asleep. I don't know how long I
was hallucinating, I was really not interested in timing it either. Around 10,
I woke up, and my stomach really hurt. (could have been the seeds, could have
been the vomit...) I managed to get something to eat and return to sleeping for
a while. I woke up again at noon, feeling well rested, but a bit groggy. I've
been in that same groggy state all day.

	Overall, I'll say that it was worth the experiment to satisfy my
curiosity. However, I will not be trying these things again. Ever. First, I
have a no vomit rule about drugs... that's why I gave up drinking. Second, I
didn't find the peak as thrilling, or as fun as LSD. I still think Acid has the
most bang for buck, and give much more pleasurable feelings while peaking.
Perhaps the dose was just too high, but based on the feelings in my stomach, I
think I'll just stick to good ol' LSD and MJ.


				-D
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I recently tried a new route of administration for Hawiian Baby Wood Rose
seeds.  Why?  Eating works fine, except for the unfortunate side effect that my
stomach is so tight I don't want to eat, drink, or move.

I tried the enema method recommended by a previous poster.  It was
dissappointing.  I ground ten seeds and blended them for an hour in distilled
water.  Then I filtered the sludge out and used a home enema kit to put the
brown juice up my ass.  I left it there for about ten minutes.  About half an
hour later, I felt a little something like a trip, but it quickly went away.

So what is my new method?  Chewing -- like tobacco.  I chewed six seeds without
spitting or swallowing for 15 minutes, then gagged and spit them out.  I
tripped about as hard as I would expect from eating four seeds, but with much
diminished side effects.  After the first hour I felt like drinking beer and
dancing (the don't-move period lasts three hours if I swallow the seeds).  

My next experiment is to treat them *exactly* like tobacco, using a spittoon. 
Maybe I can chew them that way for 30 minutes or more.  They are fairly cheap,
so doubling the quantity is not a problem.

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From: an18826@anon.penet.fi
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds -- Revisited With Amazing Results!
Message-ID: <1993Apr27.182833.16787@fuug.fi>
Date: 27 Apr 93 18:25:29 GMT

Some of you may remember that I posted a description of a rather ho-hum
Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seed (HBWS) trip a couple of weeks ago.  Last night,
a friend and I decided to make another attempt, with an increased dose, though
aware of the warning that

	high dosages are not advisable -- beyond a certain level,
	experience so far has shown a tendency for limbs to get
	bluish
					-- Psychedelics Encyclopedia

I soaked twenty seeds in hot tap water for two to three hours, then (despairing
of ever finding a mortar & pestle) smashed the seeds to a pulp with needle-
nose pliers and added more water to the seeds & water in a tupperware
container.  I then vigorously shook the container.  The water (strangely,
since the seeds are brown & white) turned pond-scum green, with lots of seed
chunks settling to the bottom.

I poured this mixture into two glasses, being careful to add the same
proportion of pond-scum-water:seed-chunks to both glasses.  My friend downed
the mixture in one big gulp, getting some more water to wash some of the seed
chunks from the side of the glass.  I took it much more slowly, and returned
for water a couple more times so I could get the seed chunks down.

My friend and I are both tall, thin men in our twenties.  I'm about 6'2", he's
perhaps an inch or two taller.  I weigh about 170 lbs, he is probably in that
area -- maybe 10-20 pounds more.  I say this for dosage reasons.  We're tall
fellows -- if you're 5'6" and weigh 130, you probably won't need as many seeds.
(Note of warning:  If you're pregnant, or think you might be, don't use HBWS
or other ergot-type hallucinogens unless you know /exactly/ what you are
doing.  These drugs can cause uterine contractions and may cause miscarriage)

To cut to the chase -- the trip was a "10" for both of us.  We've both
experienced many LSD trips, and between the two of us have sampled the delights
of MDMA and psilocin/cybin.  The HBWS trip ranked up there with the best.

It started soon but with a long slope.  As an illustration, an LSD trip might
be described like:

		^_
               /  --___
              /        ----_____
             /                  ------_______
            /                                --------_________
- t ------------|-------------------------------------------------------
             30 min.

with a quick peak that's very intense, and then several hours of slowly
returning to consensus reality.  The HBWS trip was more like:


                              __-____
                       ____---       -----______
            ______-----                         -------________
- t ----------------------------|---------------------------------------
                             3 hours

Also, the peak was much less intense.  Overall, much much less visual and
audio and other sensory hallucinations than with LSD.  Visuals were mostly
forced for diagnostic reasons, audio was great, but not LSD-profound.

But the mind-food -- the intellectual games -- were amazingly good.  And the
real bonus is that conversation is very easy (on LSD, I often find that I get
lost in that enormous jungle of symbols between the beginning of a sentence
and it's terminating punctuation mark, making linguistic communication with
other people a real chore at times).  I could talk and form sentences and
such with no more difficulty than usual (and in fact, I felt that my ability
to do so was even heightened -- my friend commented at one point that "I have
an idea, and the words just /come/!  It's incredible!"), but I had much more
to talk about than usual.

Based on my previous experience, we expected a short trip with little mind-
blowing.  We took the brew at about 7:00PM and were up until 4:30AM talking
almost non-stop metaphysics with two other people who were completely sober.
I'm still feeling the effects now, at about 11:00AM.  At 4:30 I settled down
to sleep and was pleasantly surprised to find that sleep came easily and that
the sleep was deep and very satisfying.  (On LSD, I find it very difficult to
get to sleep until I have come way down from the trip).

If you enjoy LSD, I strongly urge you to give this stuff a try.  "...of the
jungle" sells HBWS at 11 seeds for $2.50, or 100 for $10.00.  T.A.E. sells
'em at $25 per 1/2 oz., $40/oz., $110/4oz. and $450/lb.  If the ones you get
are crusty on the outside, like maybe the inside of a walnut shell, you should
crack this pod open and just use the smooth seed inside.  I suspect that the
outer coating is what causes nausea in some people.

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An experience with Hawaiian Baby Woodrose (Argyreia nervosa) Seeds.
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I found myself ahead on a writing deadline and with nothing to do on a
Tuesday afternoon, so I decided to experiment with Hawaiian Baby Woodrose
Seeds.  Although I had eaten a large meal the night before, I had had nothing
to eat during the day, and so I hoped to avoid the nausea that had been
reported by some users.  This nausea is attributed either to the seeds
themselves, or to coatings supposedly put on seeds by seed companies to
discourage this sort of thing, depending on who you talk to.  A third
suspicion of mine was that people were more likely to try morning glory seeds
than HBWR seeds, and that it takes a whole lot more of the former to feel any
effects, and that it was the sheer quantity of the seeds that was causing
nausea in these people.  In any case, I'm writing this at about 2:05PM and
will find out shortly...  :-`

HBWR seeds, like morning glory seeds, contain such nicely active ingredients
as d-lysergic acid amide and d-isolysergic acid amide (a.k.a. ergine &
isoergine) which are close relatives of your old friend and pal (can you
believe she's 50?) d-lysergic acid diethylamide (a.k.a. LSD).  According to
Peter Stafford's "Psychedelics Encyclopedia" (3rd Expanded Edition, pp. 98-99):

	"Lysergic acid amides are quite concentrated in the seeds
	 of this ornamental, much more so than in psychedelic
	 morning glories.  Four to six seeds (the contents of one
	 or two pods) are the equivalent of 100 to 150 Ipomoea
	 morning glory seeds and will produce a full-blown experience.
	 The result is generally more tranquil than what is induced
	 by LSD.  While LSD is perceived by most users as having
	 stimulant effects, to which a few people are particularly
	 sensitive, the botanical sources have more of a slowing or
	 depressant effect.  Some users complain that they have had
	 a hangover, which has been characterized by Emboden as
	 possibly involving `nausea, vertigo, blurred vision and
	 physical inertia.'  More often, however, these seeds have
	 invigorated their users, leaving them feeling as though
	 they had been on vacation afterwards."

Stafford recommended (with Morning Glories) that "seeds should be ground to a
flour before use; it's also a good idea to soak them in water -- the
psychoactive components are soluble -- and then to strain the liquid through
cheesecloth.  The amides of value are in the liquid, which is ready for
consumption."  I did not follow this advice directly -- I soaked the whole
seeds and put them in a blender.

I was also unable to find motion sickness tablets at the supermarket, and so
am not testing out another piece of advice that was given to me -- take
some dramamine before the seeds to reduce nausea.

Also mentioned by Stafford was that "high dosages are not advisable -- beyond
a certain level, experience so far has shown a tendency for limbs to get
bluish" (perhaps by the same gangrene-producing effect as that produced by
the ergot fungus in `ergotism').  I decided to look out for this effect as
best as I could.

1:30 PM -- I covered six seeds with hot tap water in a small bowl.
1:50 PM -- I poured the seeds and water into a small food processor and
	chopped the seeds as well as I could.  It was a bit like chopping
	up small, soft rocks.  I then added some orange juice, a few
	frozen cherries, raspberries, and strawberries, and blended for
	another minute or so.
2:00 PM -- I began to drink the resulting mixture, and I packed a small
	bowl of marijuana to smoke to combat possible nausea.  My hope was
	that the effects of the marijuana would have vanished by the time
	the HBWR seeds began to work their wonders.
2:15 PM -- I am nicely high and reaching the bottom of my psychic smoothie.
2:25 PM -- I am very high and have finished off said smoothie.
2:45 PM -- Wow, that was great dope.  No nausea yet.
3:10 PM -- Got munchies; had some soda crackers.  No nausea or other ill
	effects.  Still feel pleasantly high.  I cannot tell at this juncture
	whether this is just good dope or whether HWBR are starting up.
3:45 PM -- At this point I am experiencing nothing that I cannot plausably
	attribute to lingering marijuana effects.
4:00 PM -- By now, I would have expected the marijuana effects to have
	just about ended.  I'm experiencing mild visual distortions (walls
	breathing) and some tactile enhancement (carpet between my toes feels
	nice).  Nothing like a "full-blown experience" yet.  Also, there is
	very minor auditory enhancement, and some of those LSD leg jitters
	(wanting to keep time to some beat about 4x/second).
4:30 PM -- Became sleepy, started to doze off during "Voodoo Chile."  Was
	awakened by bass guitar shaking my left foot.  Still no nausea or
	ill effects, but I'm most definately stoned.  Sort of like LSD, but
	without the early rush.  More like what LSD would be like if you
	missed the first four hours.  Either that, or I'm just starting the
	climb.
5:05 PM -- No increase in effects.  If this is all there is, I'm not too
	impressed.
5:30 PM -- Doesn't seem to be going anywhere.  I just feel mildly strange
	and slightly uncoordinated.
6:00 PM -- Still slightly stoned.  Ate vegies and bread and cheese.  Not much
	happening.  I think I'll try a few more seeds next time and see how
	that works.  This must be one of those "physical inertia" trips...
	Oh well, better luck next time.
7:35 PM -- Am almost completely down.  In retrospect, it wasn't completely
	unexciting, and with the right set and setting might have been very
	nice.  Very mellow, though.  Not too much going on.  Much less
	auditory effects than I would expect from LSD or marijuana.  No limb
	bluing, no nausea.
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: an33895@anon.penet.fi
Date: Sun,  5 Sep 1993 19:46:38 UTC
Subject: HBWR seeds: story and advice

	Well, yesterday a FOAF and his friends had their first  
experience with Hawiian Baby Wood Rose seeds, which my FOAF later  
dubbed "The wacky russian rulette of acid".  Four people ate the  
seeds, three of them tripped, each with varying degrees of intensity.   
They had some wisdom that they thought I should pass on to the net.

	One thing to keep in mind is that these seeds are naturally  
growing botanicals and due to each plants idiosyncracies one cannot  
reliably estimate how much LSA one is ingesting by the number of  
seeds you eat.  One of my FOAF's friends ate three seeds and had a  
typical mild acid trip (intense colors, trails, and mild  
synthenesia).  Another one had nine seeds and got absolutely no  
effect.  Two others ate nine and had moderate trips, one good and one  
not so good (more later).  My FOAF had twenty seeds and had the most  
intense trip of his life, including phantom music, very intense and  
dramatic synthenesia, and occasional withdrawls from reality, where  
his normal vision was completely obscured by intense patterns and  
colors... kinda scary sometimes.  As you can see, your milage may  
vary.

	No one got physically ill as a result of taking the seeds,  
although one of my FOAF's friends admitted, after eating the seeds,  
that he thought he might be coming down with the flu.  STUPID!  Twice  
during the evening he began to feel nausiated and dizzy, and when he  
did, he correspondingly reported having "uncool" experiences and went  
off by himself for a while.  This morning he is down but suffering  
from the flu.

	Although the seeds have a reputation as being "weak" acid, my  
FOAF would not recommend that they are eaten by the unexperienced  
user, since they had such a wide range of effectiveness.  Getting  
acid with a reliable mic count would be a better way to go at first,  
to add a bit more control to the already unpredictable activity of  
dropping.

	That's all for now.  I hope this is of use to someone.  I've  
learned much from alt.drugs, and it's good to return the favor!

						Happy tripping!
							Jake
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From: an18826@anon.penet.fi
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 22:13:47 UTC
Subject: A powerful HBWS experience

	Yet another Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seed Experiment
	(or how I learned to loathe myself and respect ergot alkaloids)

Date:  22 November 1993 (the day after)

Here's the situation, kids; see if you can find where I went horribly,
tragically wrong:  Several weeks ago, over a period of a couple of months,
my lover and I of four and a half years broke up, I lost my job and
subsequently my home, and had a brief fling which punched holes in my
reputation and self-image.

Still managing to convince myself that I was the free-spirit, untouched by
the illusionary material world, I put on a happy face et cetera.  A few days
ago, however, I started to dwell on thoughts of self-doubt, worry, mild
paranoia, and depression.

Drum roll please.

So I thought I'd take a psychedelic drug and see if that helped to put things
back in perspective.

WRONG!  What, was I out of my mind?  Lesson number one in the psychedelic
universe:  Don't use a psychedelic drug as a mood-lifter, to escape bad
feelings, or to make a bad situation better.  It don't work that way.

The pharmacological details:  A couple of days prior to the experiment, I
ground up fifty Hawaiian Baby Woodrose (Argyreia nervosa) seeds in a mortar
and pestle, and put the resulting powder into gel caps.  There were about
3.5 seeds per gel cap, with even potency across all of the gel caps.

Part of the motivation for my experiment was to test the potency/toxicity of
the seeds taken in this manner.  I had taken ten seeds, cracked in water,
and had a terrific trip; and I had taken twelve seeds in a similar way and
been wracked with nausea, stupor, and a generally bad time.

So I took two capsules, what I expected to be about 2/3rds of a real dose.
My notes follow (indented) with comments (not indented):

	1 PM - two caps

I had also been taking ginseng fairly regularly for the previous week or two,
and I don't know how these two drugs might have reacted.  What I believed I
had been noticing from the ginseng were the following symptoms:  a) increased
creativity, b) more alertness without caffeine jitteryness, c) slight paranoia.
Of course any of the above could also be the result of a placebo effect, or
of the emotional turmoil in my life.

I was not taking any other drugs at the time.  I had smoked a good hunk of
weed the previous afternoon.

	1:30 - slight runs, tight bridge of nose

The slight runs were slightly loose bowels, I included them in my notes
without knowing whether or not they represented the first symptoms of nausea.
In the aftermath, I'd say that it was just coincidence.  The tight bridge of
nose was one of those bells that goes off in my mind and says to me, "remember,
you just took a psychedelic and here it comes!"

	1:35 - tight top of head

Similarly.

	1:45 - stomach grumbling

This was probably caused more by the drug, but I'm not sure.  There wasn't
much nausea (thank God) at all this time.  A little bit hit me at one point,
but nothing in itself particularly bothersome.

	2:40 - very slight nausea twinge, some peripheral visual
	distortion[, ] cold feet

There is the nausea I was talking about.  By "twinge," I mean that it was
noticable, but not lasting.  A moment would come and I would say, "gee, I
feel kind of sick to my stomach," but then it would go away.  Could be
explained by just the psychedelic coenesthetic fuzziness, but I don't think
I was tripping that hard yet.  Cold feet was a "just in case" marker for me.
Stafford's "Psychedelics Encyclopedia" mentions that ergot alkaloids like
those in HBWS and MGS can at higher doses cause the limbs to turn bluish.
(See: ergotism).  So far this hasn't happened to me, but I try to be alert
for the effects.  It was a chilly day, and my feet were propped up, so I think
it was not a drug effect.

	2:50 - More tummy rumbles.
	3:00 - Take 500 mg C - folklore

I'm two hours into the dose and not getting much out of it but some slight
peripheral vision fuzziness and motion, and a weird overall feeling.  So I
try to augment the trip with Vitamin C.  I have no idea if this works or not,
but it's everpresent acid folklore, and it's harmless as far as I know.

	4:15 - Tired, amotivational[, ] Somewhat trippy.

I think the trip started right about here - three hours and fifteen minutes
after taking the powdered seeds.  That's something I should stress right off
the bat about HBWS - the curve is very very different from that of LSD.  On
LSD, you accelerate quickly to the peak (within an hour or two of taking the
drug), and then spend another couple of hours or more at the peak before
sliding slowly down to baseline.

With HBWR, you spend the first three to six hours just climbing to the peak,
and then a shorter time falling back to baseline.  I don't think I reached the
peak until six or seven at night - five or six hours after taking the
capsules.  Quite a long ride, with none of the "it's all downhill from here"
sense that you get if things get confusing on acid.

	6:00 - emotionally depressed
	     - No, make that fucking despondent

By this time things had started to go bad.  I tried all of the traditional
things to swing things around:  Went to the bathroom, made some food, took a
walk in the fresh air, turned on more lights, changed the music.  Nothing
worked.

I was feeling the beginnings of what would be a very panicked depressive
episode.  Nobody loved me, even the people I thought were my friends were
really annoyed with me and talked about me behind my back, my pretensions
had become such an integral part of my self-image that seeing them shattered
was destroying my identity.  I felt that if people knew who I really was, they
would be disgusted or frightened and run away, and so I had to wear a mask,
which of course was another way of keeping people at a distance from my real
self, so there was no way I could win...

Whew.  It was bad, folks.  Going for a quick-paced walk helped, but only by
keeping my mind busy thinking about route and traffic lights and whether or
not it was going to rain.  Overall the mood was still bad.  I stopped by a
donut shop to get a chocolate-covered devil's food donut with chocolate chips.
Chocolate is another of my temperamental mood-lifters that I've kept in my
bag of acid trips for that rainy day when I need it.  But the wisdom of this
decision didn't stand up; I thought that when I crashed from the sugar high
things would just be that much worse.  So I tossed the donut away.

	7:00 - Still depressed - some anaesthesia - pinches don't
		hurt as much as they should.  Tripping at about
		maximum so far, but wish it would stop.

I should note at this point that there is a history of depression in my
family, my younger brother is taking medication for depression, and most of
the women on my mother's side of the family seem to have had some sort of
breakdown in their past.  So far, except for a period of bad depression in
adolescence (which could have just been adolescence, of course), I've escaped
in terrific shape.  My mood has been generally good, and my psychedelic trips
have been 95% wonderful.

But, after a few hours of this nonsense, I was convinced that my bad mood and
such over the previous days was part of a spiral into mental illness and that
I was going straight to the funny farm.  I was exhibiting a lot of the signs
of a panic attack and severe depression, and I wasn't sure how much I could
attribute to the drug, and how much was just me.

Remember that I had taken what I thought was 2/3rds of a good dose of HBWS,
which I translated as about 2/3rds again of a reasonable dose of LSD.  In
other words, about half a hit: small potatoes for a veteran tripper.

The anaesthesia I'm talking about was kind of interesting.  At one point, I
pinched the web of skin between my thumb and finger, and although I could
feel the pain, it didn't seem to mean anything to me.  So I pinched harder.
Sure enough, the pain increased slightly, but it still didn't mean anything
to me.  So I pinched as hard as I could.  Still, no injury I could get
excited about, although there was clearly some tissue trauma.

Two things of note:  One, this may have been an effect of the drug, and if so,
is a new one to me.  Two, severely depressed people sometimes engage in self-
mutilation, and this may have been an inkling of that for me.

	7:22 - Niacin

At this point I remembered another bit of folklore - the "niacin abort."  I
decided to give it a try.  I took one 100 mg tablet of niacin.  I don't know
if it did any good or not.

A little after this point - I was alone in the apartment, and had been alone
through the whole trip - I called a very good friend and trip buddy, telling
him that "I'm having a bad trip and I can't get out."  I felt very ashamed,
because one of my own rules for drug taking is that I can't use drugs to put
obligations on other people.  But my friend was happy to help me out, and was
a soothing voice and a shoulder to lean on when I really, really needed one.

By this time, I felt like a raving nut.  I would prop up my face in my hands,
then cover my mouth with my hands, then bite my fingers, then rub my nose,
then rub my hands through my hair, then rub my eyes, then bite my thumbnail,
then lean my chin on my hand - all in the course of a couple of seconds.  I
thought that I probably sounded like that woman in the diner in the movie
"Slacker."  ("You shouldn't.  You should not.  You should't.  You shouldn't.
You shouldn't traumatize a woman sexually.  You shouldn't.  You should not...")

Except that my dialogue was at the same time more coherent and more troubled:
"I feel so alienated.  I look at people.  I look at them talk.  I look at 
people talk and I can't understand them.  I mean I understand what they are
saying, and I know what the words mean, but I don't understand the transaction
that's taking place.  I don't know the rules.  I try to talk, but people look
at me and expect me to say more and I don't know the rules.  I look at people
and I don't understand.  Nobody knows who I am.  I can't understand them.  I'm
trying to say I feel alienated.  Like I'm not one of them.  They're doing
something when they talk and it's not in the words and I can't understand what
it is."

I mean, really, really, bonkers call the men in the white suits stuff.  Most
of the above was in reference to a party I went to the night before where I
didn't know very many of the people in attendance.  They had social conventions
in common, and shared interests (Star Trek and the Rocky Horror Picture Show)
that I did not share with them, so in a way it was as though I'd landed on
another planet.  But my feelings of alienation had been extrapolated to include
the whole human race.

It was bad.  I have new understanding for the tales of people who took acid
and committed suicide.  For a long time I thought of these tales as drug war
propaganda or coincidence.  Now I have a little more understanding of how a
pre-existing depression could be catapulted into a state of absolute hopeless-
ness under the influence of a psychedelic.

	9:10 - Coming down finally.

And rapidly, too.  The whole coming-down time seemed to take about fifteen
minutes.  One minute I was babbling nonsense and biting my fingers, the next
minute I'm sipping tea and putting some Paul Simon on the CD player.  Perhaps
the niacin took effect, or maybe thats the unfamiliar HBWS curve again.

What lessons can the readers of alt.drugs get from my tale of woe?  HBWS did
not give me a bad trip.  HBWS gave me a powerful trip that was bad because of
the soil the seeds were planted in: an emotionally troubled mind.  HBWS is
powerful juju.  It's not a poor substitute for the real thing; it IS the real
thing.  My recommendation:  Do not trip on a psychedelic drug if you're in a
bad mood, depressed, or suffering from some sort of emotional turmoil.  And,
finally, think twice about tripping alone.

Personally, I'm going to stay away from drugs, ginseng, chocolate, and
concentrated sugar for a couple of weeks at least, just to do an evaluation
of where my head's at and make sure I'm not falling prey to the family curse.
I feel much better this morning (last night I was sure I'd never recover),
although a bit apprehensive.  I'm going to treat psychedelics in a much more
reverent fashion from here on out, and tread more lightly on my mind.
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From: popeyeti@access1.digex.net (Pope Electric Yeti)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Baby Hawaiian Woodrose
Message-ID: <2idggt$t2g@news1.digex.net>
Date: 29 Jan 94 11:15:41 GMT

I had a really bad trip on these once, good at first, like being drunk 
with trippy visuals.Then everything started to spin and I got sick. I 
became really scared and convinced that I was going to die. I had to go 
to a friends house to chill out when it was all over. Never again...
Spend your money on good blotter or 'shrooms, but you *really* might want 
to stay away from this one....

Anybody else have this kind of experience?

Pope.

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From: 25u7gardinie@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: My HBWR experiences
Date: 1 Feb 1994 01:11:21 GMT
Message-ID: <009795F5.D1B78320@vms.csd.mu.edu>

I have been following the thread on HBWR and felt it about time to
share my own experiences in the area.  By no means am I refuting anything
already said, I am only offering my own experience for consideration to
those willing to listen.  I like the seeds.  I have had rather nice
experiences with them and will continue to use them from time to time.
The worst physical side effect I have had from them was stomach cramping
and that was without dramamine.  The method I have used with the seeds is
fairly simple.  I grind up the number I am going to ingest and then soak
them in water for an hour or two.  Then I drain the water so as to seperate
the seed matter from it.  I toss the seed matter away (I don't remember
where, perhaps Jonathon Ott, I'll check, but anyways, I remember reading
that the alkaloids responsible for much of the toxic symptoms are not water
soluble and therefore will remain in the seed matter).  Anyways, the 
resulting drink I am left with I ingest over 30-45 minutes.  This also
seems to reduce the bad effects.  The only part I find annoying is the
lethargy, but that seems to be overcome by setting as I have had many 
enjoyable walks while under the effects although the first few steps took
one hell of a lot of will power.  I would suggest though that anyone 
interested in exploring these start out with a small amount and work their
way up.  A previous poster mentioned 20-30 seeds.  I personally would never
take that many seeds, at least not at this point in time.  my max currently 
is about 13 or so.  My first time was with 8 or 9.  Well, hopefully someone
found this to be of some value.

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From: ceh1@acpub.duke.edu (Charles Eric Horowitz)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: HBWS, works for me!
Message-ID: <2j90ik$sl@news.duke.edu>
Date: 8 Feb 94 21:35:16 GMT

After not reading for a while, I tried to catch up
with the news and read several negative posts concerning
Hawaiin Babay Woodrose Seeds, so I thought Id relate
my experience with them.  First off, my one time with
them (Havent really had 8 hours to blow on them),
about 2 weeks ago had some litigating circumstances 
which could have effected them.  First I had only
2 hours of sleep the night before, and second I took
8 of them(with the white fungus coating scraped off)
at about midnight.  About 3 minutes after completely 
chewing them, I began feeling really slow and lazy,
and got pretty hot and uncomfortanble(i had not taken any dramamine).  I got
the dry heaves a few times, but since I hadnt eaten in
hours, I was OK.  After about 40 minutes of this hot,
nausious(sp?) really lazy feeling, with no trippy results,
I said, forget it! and went to bed. About an hour and a half 
later I woke up feeling like I was on a boat in a hurricane.
My equilibrium was completely out of whack, so I got up to get
some water.  When I went into the bathroom and looked in the mirror,
I saw that my pupils were the size of the entire iris, so guessing that
the seeds had worked, I stepped back about a foot and began to stare at 
myself to see what would happen.
  Unfortunately, I had taken my lenses out to go to sleep so I was now nearly
blind, however, sure enough, I began to warp and twist and invert into myself.
I also noticed at this point that the dizzy feeling was gone and now
I actually felt rather euphoric.  I noticed that the walls were breathing
rather gently.  I spent the next few hours experimenting and pretty much
determined that I could will what would happen(i.e., I could stare at
my hand and make my fingers grow really long, etc). I spent a few minutes
talking to the ceiling(those circular light holes sure look like mouths,
especially when their breathing).  I only got to talk to one person that night
and the floor was breathing, and he kept rising and falling about a foot and a
half up and down, rather amusingly.  Anyway, by four or so I began feeling
really tired so I tried to go back to bed.  Unfortunately I couldnt stay
asleep for more than a few minutes at a time as anytime I laid down, that
dizzy, off balance feeling returned, yet whenever I stood or sat, I felt
really close to euphoria.  Finally got to sleep at about 8, and didnt wake
up until 3 or so, and felt really strung out the rest of the day.

Im hoping that next time I try these, its with sleep, and dramamine and
a little earlier in the day, but overall I rather enjoyed the exp.
CHUCK

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From: lewis@aera2.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Woodrose seeds from T.A.E. report
Date: 18 May 1994 19:23:43 GMT
Message-ID: <2rdq00$jv5@linus.mitre.org>

Two different shipments of HBWR seeds from the same source, two years apart.

#1 (then):  Seeds were light brown and had concave spots with a very hard
shell.  ~150 mg.

#2 (now):  Seeds are dark brown and *hairy*.  They are almost double the
size (~275 mg).  Convex, with an equally hard shell.

What's the deal?  Were the old ones immature?  What about potency?  
These new things scare me!

--Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          PGP key available.
.. pH balanced for your decisions, your life. -- Proctor & Gamble
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.

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From: weeleaze@eos.ncsu.edu (WILLIAM E ELEAZER)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.hemp
Subject: Baby Wood Rose Tried
Date: 22 May 1994 23:13:30 GMT
Message-ID: <2roouq$maa@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>

	Well I sent off to T.A.E for some Baby Wood Rose Seeds	
	and they convinced me to get the sample kit which
	consisted of maybe 200 hemp seeds (precooked), about
	25 each of Wood Rose and Baby Wood Rose seeds.  A friend
	and I rubbed the hairs off of 8 Baby Wood Rose seeds,
	ground them to a pulp in a mortar and pestle, split it in
	half, mixed it with a cup of coffee and drank the mix. 
	We had to spoon out the grit ( the ground Baby Wood Rose Seeds)
	out because it all sunk to the bottom.  When I did this
	it tasted exactly like what really good blotter tastes like,	
	but the taste went away pretty quickly.  There was no
	ensuing trip.  Anyone have any comments?

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From: eric@d0ibm2.umd.edu ()
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: HBWR's
Date: 19 Aug 1994 14:31:33 GMT
Message-ID: <332fo5$ks3@umd5.umd.edu>

Well, since everyone else shares their psychdelic experiences with the net, I
feel I should too, especialy since it was with a legal one that people have thier
doubts about.

My friend Joe and I had been trying to find some good legal drugs for a while,
and had mostly turned up blank. Finally got some Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds
from TAE. About 120 in all. I took 20 seeds, ground them up in a peper grinder,
mixed with about a quart of water, let them soak for a while (Several hours),
then strained and drunk. The water tasted kinda wierd, sorta like some kind of
nut, but I couldn't quite identify it. After 15 minutes we were both feeling a
little "wierd". We hung out in Joe's living room for a while, and after about 50
mins I noticed some typical pre-LSD pre-Shroom effects on the floor. Where the
floor looks like boards that are sliding past one anohter in oppisite directions.
Seems to happen to me wheneve I trip, even only a little. My hands also felt
slimy. I noticed this effect once before while on LSD. ALl the feeling in my body
got very slimy and milky. In a way, it was like touch-tracers. I was no longer
able to feel and individual feeling, but instead a whole bunch at once, kind of
after images of what I had been touching. It really didnt get that intense. After
about 2 hours we went into the kitchen, and my hands started looking very wierd
and distorted. I would hold my arms out to the floor, and the looked VERY long,
almost as if they were touching the floor. We also got kind of silly, and I had
problems putting what I was trying to say into words. VERY few visuals. Things
really never got much beyond this stage. There might have been a more intense
mental effect, but we never really tried to explore that. When I previously
tripped on acid, we found that the "psychedelic" effect didnt' really set in
until we started talking about philisophical type thigns, but once we did, it
didn't stop. So maybe if we had tried talking meta-physics.. who knows. After 5
hours we got mad and smoked some REALLY good bud. Its now 24 hours later and I
still feel the slimy hands effect a little bit. Interesting if your bored. I
think it would also make a good first psychedelic expereince. Maybe I just feel
this way because my first trip on acid was a little too intense and I got scared.
We plan to try them again on sunday or monday. This time I'm gonna try 24 seeds,
and also drink the seeds chunks. Oh also, we did not experience any nausea at
all. 

Anyone who's done these before, is this typical? If I increase the dosage will
the effects get any more pronounced, or will we just get sick?

-eric

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From: eric@d0ibm2.umd.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: HBWr seeds
Date: 22 Aug 1994 13:16:07 -0500
Message-ID: <9408221815.AA15930@d0ibm2.umd.edu>

Well, a few days ago I posted my experience with some Hawaiian Baby woodrose
seeds, and I mentioned that I would be trying them again. well here are the
latest results...

Joe and i had found that our previous dose, (20 seeds total) was rather
week. We didn'tknow if this was just the natureof the seeds, or if a higher
dose would be needed. This time we ground up about 30 seeds and soaked them
in some water. Ugghg. This stuff has got to be the worst tasting liquid in
the entire world. It was horrible. When we first did it, the taste wasn't that
noticeable, and when we did notice it, we just found it "wierd". ugghg. I
am planning on NEVER NEVER NEVER again ingesting the seeds in this method.
Anyhow, after 2 hours, we strained off the liquid and drank. Once again, we
felt kind of wierd after 20 mins or so. The two hours were hardly different
that the time before, but in the 3rd hour, things got very very cool.

I would not call it a "trip". There were almost no visual effects at all.
And the mental effects didnt' seem like acid or shrooms, but almost more
like alcohol. We drove (big mistake) to mcdonalds after 2 hours, because
we didnt' feel like much was happening. we got drive through and ate in
the car. We suddenly started feeling very silly and VERY happy. I mean
VERY happy. When we had done acid before we had also gotten very happy 
and this was the same kind of thing. It was also kind of like pot, except
when your high with someone, you tend to ignore them, and they tend to 
ignore you, and you each bable on about nothing. with the seeds, we 
seemed very connected. We decided we should drive home before the effects
got any worse (better?). While I was driving, my car felt VERY wierd. It
seemed much too long and I kept thinking I was too far away from the 
petals. We managed to get back to joe's house ok, and we talked with
his sister and his sister's friend for a while. his sister's friend
happens to be a chemist and she gave me all sorts of tips on extracting
DMT from various plants. But back to the seeds. We then sat outside on
the porch just talking. Everything felt very good. Not good like feeling
good, as in sex, but good as in happy and harmonious. Understand that it
is very hard for me to express just exactly how I was feeling. I felt
as if I really understood the world, and how everything fit togeater. I 
looked at this plant, and just for a second, I understood the plant. This
may seem like a wierd statment, but thats the best way to describe it. I
stared at this plant for a while, and then suddenly I stoped thinking 
about anything, and just looked and watched as a drop of water slowly 
gilded off one of it's leaves, and right then for only a second, EVERYTHING
made sense. It was one of the neatest feelings i have ever had. These
effects contiued and we jsut sat around talking. 

The total experience lasted only 3 hours. The 2 hours before and after this
we very mild, and not really part of the "trip". i HIGHLY recommend these
seeds. But dont be expecting acid or shrooms. Its not like that at all,
and you probalby wont have any hallucinations. 

Does anyone know of, or can think of any way to do these seeds withough
sticking htem in your mouth in any way? or at least withougt having to
taste them? We thought about smoking them, but were unsure if the 
compounds could stand up to the heat. any help would be appreciated


-eric

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From: pguest@aol.com (PGuest)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs.psychedelics
Subject: Woodrose (What did they do wrong?)
Date: 30 Sep 1994 14:08:02 -0400
Message-ID: <36hk62$36d@newsbf01.news.aol.com>

A FOAF recently received their shipment of Baby Hawaian (sp?) Woodrose
seeds.  Reading that the normal dosage was 4 to 8 seeds, they took 6
seeds, singed off the white fuzz, ground them in a coffee bean grinder,
placed the powder in empty capsules, and swallowed with water (on an empty
stomach).

There was NO effect whatsoever.  Did they do something wrong, or is the
talk of woodrose overrated?

Thanks!
-- Paul

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From: kesmit@industrial.com (Dominic Blais)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: HBWR seeds failed...
Date: 3 Jan 1995 03:08:57 GMT
Message-ID: <3eaf49$3te@industri.industrial.com>

A FOAF bought two hundred Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds from OTJ... 
recently. He tried 20 with no effects... then waited a few days and tried 
50 with again, no effects. He gave a friend 15 to see if it was just him, 
but the friend didn't experience anything either. He ended up gulping 
down the remaining 115 seeds a few days later. Guess what... no effects.
The seeds looked like others he had bought (to grow) and he has never had 
any other experiences with HBWR or morning glory. Any ideas?

kesmit@industrial.com

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From: heretic@universe.digex.net (Clarence Darrow)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.drugs.psychedelics
Subject: Large Hawaiian Rosewood Seeds - Is The FAQ Bullshit?
Date: 7 Mar 1995 23:30:16 -0500
Message-ID: <heretic.794636294@universe>

A friend of mine tried the extraction from the file FAQ-MorningGlory-Part1
and had absolutely no results. No nausea, no effects, no nothing. He got
LBWR seeds instead of HBWR becasue at the time they were cheaper and
according to the faq they had the same percentage of alkaloids. He
prepared the seed material using lighter fluid and then let the stuff sit
in the ethanol for twice the recommended time (8 days). He got up on Sat
morning at dawn with all of his trippy toys prepared the night before and
was real pissed that nothing happened.  Since I was the one who gave him
the faq he blames me too for screwing up his whole weekend and tells me
I'm full of shit. He's a bit excitable at times (-:

So anyway what's the deal? If you tried the extraction and it worked for 
you please post here or email me. If you tried the extraction and it 
*didn't* work for you please post here or email me. I will summarize to 
the net if I get a lot of email responses. I have to admit that the part 
about absorbing enough to feel effects by swishing the stuff around in 
your mouth (has anyone ever tried holding pure ethonol in your mouth 
anyway? I drank straight everclear in highschool once and thought I would 
die) but I digress.

Is the faq total bull or not? Let's find out. Email me or post here your 
experiences. Be sure to say what kind of seeds you used and how you 
prepared them. Thanks.

-- 
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From: Tommy the Tourist (Anon User) <nobody@csua.berkeley.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.psychedelics
Subject: Two Woodrose experiences
Date: 14 Apr 1995 01:37:02 GMT
Message-ID: <3mkjju$fcp@agate.berkeley.edu>

Greetings,

	 
   After reading alt.drugs for a while and checking out the FAQ's at
hyperreal.com, I decided to try Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds. I
ordered 100 from Of The Jungle ($10). All of the information on
Morning Glories and HBWR is pretty contradictory. The extraction
sounded a bit questionable, so I decided to risk the nausea and just
use water/lemon juice as one netter suggested.

   I started with six seeds. There wasn't any "white coating" on them
like the faqs had implied. They looked like tan chocolate chips. I
washed them to be sure. They were ground 
in a pepper grinder, then placed in an 8oz Ball jar with ~3oz of lemon
juice and ~3 of water and shaken occasionally for the next two
hours. Most of the articles said to strain it through a coffee filter,
but it wouldn't go through so I used a papertowel  and funnel, which
worked pretty well. I added sugar and it was like a weedy lemonade,
slightly foul. 
   A buddy of mine dropped by about then. While we talked I felt the nausea
come on. It wasn't too bad so I decided to wait it out rather than
barf. After ~45 it subsided into the backround and I was feeling
really buzzed. It was kind of like a sine wave building and receding
every few minutes and I felt pretty speedy. We walked over to some
friends' house. My pupils were dilated as hell so I could see really
well in the dark. It was a strange sensation. Once there, I was
feeling both speedy and kind of drowsy, like I'd taken half a hit with
a good bowl. This lasted for about 4 hours and the nausea faded
away. We walkedback and I could still see in the dark pretty well. I
was almost down, but felt fantastic. By then it had been 7 hours since
I'd drunk the "lemonade". We ate pizza and watched television for an
hour or so, then crashed. I had a little trouble falling asleep, but
slept soundly when I did and the next morning I felt great. All in all
a damn nice time, well worth the nausea (and only cost $.60!).
   
   The next weekend, a local music festival was going on, a perfect time
to try them again. This time it was only five seeds and instead of
straining them, I put the ground seeds in a sealable tea bag, but
otherwise the methodology was the same. I drank it around noon and the
nausea hit almost immediately. This time it was nasty, about like
motion sickness. I rode it out, but probably should have
barfed. Again, it only lasted about 45 minutes, but they were ugly. An
hour after I took them I felt much better and we  (my girlfriend)
decided to go to the show. The walk there was "interesting". I was
buzzing quite nicely and the nausea was way in the backround. I felt
pretty the same as before, speedy and somewhat stoned. We walked
around for a bit and my girlfriend decided to go to a nearby
restaurant. They took twenty minutes to fix her food, so I sat outside
watching traffic. 
    After a few minutes, thing started to get weird. One
of the buildings was breathing and I completely track of time. I
started getting confused. Nothing specific, just not quite right. By
the time she'd gotten her food, I was flying. We started back to the
show, but a few blocks later I felt an extreme need to sit somehwere
quiet, preferably home, so we headed back. Things got ugly fast. All
of a sudden I felt lost and incredibly depressed. I kept in mind that
it was just the drug, and maintained until we got home. I didn't want
my girlfriend to realize how bad it was and worry her so I just kept
quiet and played it cool, which worked. As soon as we got home, I sat
in my reliner and turned on a local accustic station and started to
feel more normal, but I was still pretty depressed and felt terrible
about myselfand the nausea had gotten worse. 
   For the next three hours as long I was talking, listening
or concentrating on something, I was OK. If I started to drift, things
got weird. My grlfriend left for work without noticing how bad I
was. I was still flying, but tired so I sort of fell asleep. I dreamed
that I was walking on a cold shore and there were treeless hills in
the backround, like moors. I was talking to someone, as we walked, but
never got a clear picture of them. After a bit, the person turned and
shoved me backwards and I woke up suddenly, feeling like I'd been
dropped into the chair from above. I was weirded out, but felt
better. Still tired, though, so I lay down and slept for a couple of
hours. After than I was still tripping slightly, but not too bad. I
was really ready for it to end. It was another two hours, before it
wore off completely. About 8 hours since I drank the stuff. Again, I
felt great and hungry, but a little shaken as well. I'm glad that I
hadn't taken more, or I would have really freaked. Not one of my
better experiences overall. 
    
   Do they work? Damn right.Will I do them again? Yeah, at least once
more. Next time I will try the extraction outlined in the MG faq. Part
of the problem with mixed reactions, I believe, has to do with potency
of each individual seed. The way I intend on getting even doses is to
start with 30-40 seeds and adjust doses as portions of that to even
out the LAA levels. I'll report my findings then.


Cheers,

Ethnobotanical Newby

[anon info deleted -cak]

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From: (Anonymous - dope editor)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs.psychedelics
Subject: Using 10 HBWR seeds (1st time tripping)
Date: 1 Sep 95 15:27:05
Message-ID: <anonymous>

This message is rather long... If you're experienced, don't bother.

My friend "R" and myself had been doing research into psychedelics as 
well as other drug types, trying to find out what we could get a hold of 
legally, as well as how to ingest them, etc..
        After getting barely any effects from a (botched) yage' potion 
involving Syrian rue and canary grass, we were ready to try something 
that required little culinary skill, as well as a quicker ingestion. 
Drinking two big glasses of grass-juice was not fun, even on an adventurous 
level. So we both decided that HWBR seeds would be the best bet for a 
sure-fire psychedelic experience.
        Neither I nor "R" had used anything like LSD, or even MJ for 
that matter before using HBWR seeds. The closest we'd come had been 
a very nice absinthe experience (Pernod + 3 tspns Wormwood). So, 
needless to say, we were very naive when we decided that 10 seeds 
would be a nice dosage for each of us. (Like I said, we were very 
inexperienced, and were let down by other attempts using natural, legal 
substances.)
        We were expecting nausea, lethargy, and, hopefully, some 
blissful euphoria. 
        We awoke at 8:00a on what would turn out to be a beautiful 
Spring day, and crushed our seeds up for ingestion (we'd scraped off the 
strychnine the day before). Eagerly, we gobbled up the seeds. Of course, 
they tasted horrid, and I could feel them getting stuck in my teeth. But, 
it had to be done! Once swallowed, "R" and I waited in my den for the 
feelings to begin.
        The only one else who would be in the house that day was my 
brother, "S", who had no concept of what "R" and I were doing, and 
most likely would not approve. So, him being home, and us trying to 
keep him from becoming suspicious, made for a potential paranoia 
session. I wasn't afraid, but "R" hadn't visited my home before, and had 
just met "S", so he had some paranoia going in. I should've known...
        Less than fifteen minutes after ingestion, both "R" and I were 
sitting/lying on the floor feeling very weak and disoriented. We were 
both prepared for that. I knew that we'd soon be puking, so I went and 
got a small trash bin to receive our liquid presents. We both began 
feeling cold in our extremities (a feeling that neither of us was fond of), 
and soon we were both ready to puke. I can't remember who went first, 
I think it was myself. But soon we were residents of Vomitville. 
        After puking for a bit, I drank some water and tried to get 
comfortable on my double papasan. Pulling up a blanket, I sat and dove 
headfirst into my first psychedelic journey. I will try to describe what I 
felt.
        The first good feeling that I noticed was what I referred to as 
the "hum". Some sort of buzzing that felt like the alternating current of 
the time-space continuum (yeah, right). My body itself wasn't feeling 
very good. Extremities were cold and slightly numb, and if I moved, my 
stomach ached. I stayed still, closed my eyes, and let my mind wander. I 
noticed a tightness in my chest, breathing had changed. Involuntarily, 
my breathing was slow and shallow, similar to deep sleep. Voluntarily, I 
felt as if I could hold my breath forever, and that if I so wished, I could 
hold my breath until I died (silly, but that's how it felt). So I would try 
holding my breath for periods of time, and as I did, the visions and 
thoughts became more intense. The longer I refrained from inhaling, the 
brighter and more vivid the mindscape became, swirling with bright light 
and humming with a flow that followed the energy surrounding and 
penetrating everything. It was quite beautiful. I kept thinking "this is 
what death is like". And, something in the mindscape affirmed my 
thoughts, it said that, "yes, this is the place your mind goes at death." I 
kept smiling. I felt as if I had tapped into something that very few 
people would ever know of, until they themselves died. This made me 
very happy. It was bliss.
        "R", on the other hand, was not having such a good time. All 
the while I was feeling the aforementioned, he would interrupt me 
once every five or so minutes to ask if I was "O.K.". He'd say, "I don't 
know, you just looked strange. I'm just making sure you aren't dead or 
anything." I tried to explain to him what I was feeling, it was difficult 
to describe, and I don't think he was experiencing the same things. I asked 
him how he felt, and he wasn't feeling to good. I finally got up from my 
comfort zone and sat with him to talk about it. He kept puking, and I 
was afraid he might dehydrate. So I kept the water nearby for him. 
        "S" was awake, and four hours had passed. We couldn't 
believe how time had moved so strangely. "R" was worried that "S" 
would come to the den and find out something was up, so we made up a 
story that "R" had a stomach virus, and we'd stayed up most of the 
night (that's why we were so lethargic). Anyway, "S" came down to 
let our dogs in, and didn't say very much. He went back upstairs. Later, 
"S" was on the phone, and "R" became very worried that he was 
calling the paramedics. I tried to calm him down, but, shit. It was 
ridiculous. The paranoia had struck "R" hard. He got up, wandered 
around the pool table striking his had on it and saying "Why? How 
could I be so stupid?" It was a bad situation. "R" was paranoid that 
we'd both been poisoned, and that "S" was suspicious, and that every 
little noise he heard was an ambulance coming to get us. I didn't know 
what to do. He almost had me worried about us. I just tried to logically 
explain what was going on, how he was getting worried over nothing, 
etc. Looking back, I should've had some music going, and kept the 
lights up in the den. It was like a dungeon to "R".
        About 5-6 hours had passed. We were both sitting on the floor 
looking at the clock, trying to figure out what time it was. The hands 
were moving forwards, then backwards, hell. It was funny. "R" had 
calmed a bit, and we were talking about what was going on. We looked 
at each other and could see purple/orange splotches all over. I opened 
the door to the den, and sunlight poured in. We instantly felt better! I 
picked up my guitar and played a bit of "Little Wing". I imagined Jimi 
Hendrix feeling the same feelings that I had. 
        "S" came down the stairs, and wished to use the computer. I 
knew it was time to go outside. I couldn't wait! The air, the light, the 
leaves, the sky, the clouds, the grass, the earth, the animals, everything 
took on a brilliance all its own. "R" and I laid in the back yard on our 
backs watching the sky. It was heavenly. Birds would fly by, and every 
little movement of their wings was noticeable. "R" and I discussed how 
we are all connected simply by being alive. The birds, the grass, the 
trees, everything.
        I felt alienated somewhat from my family. Who are they, anyway? 
They're simply people who I live with, and nothing more. Bloodlines are a 
coincidence! We are all individuals! Something like that. Materialism was 
thrown way out the door. It was great! I could've rolled around in dogshit, 
and I wouldn't have cared (though I tried not to). I really felt close to 
the earth and everything on it. It was wonderful.
        Finally, it was time to come in and "wait" for the trip to end. 
About ten hours had passed, and "R" and I felt like shit. Unable to do 
anything complicated, and unwilling to do anything else. I took a shower 
and could feel every hair on my body. I thought about shaving my facial 
hair off completely. Nah. The lighting in the bathroom had a strange 
orange glow to it. It felt good to be clean. Around 10:30 "R" and I got 
hungry and ate a bit. It was like eating for the first time in days. I had 
folded some laundry, and it felt good to be doing something constructive.
        Time for bed. "R" slept in the den, I went to my bedroom. I had 
much trouble getting to sleep. I felt half in, half out of the dream state. 
Not necessarily the hypogogic state, btw. I thought I heard "R" puking 
again, and sensed him in the bathroom on the other side of the wall. It got 
really bad, coughing and dry heaving, then suddenly it was as if he was 
choking, and he ran out of the bathroom, down the hall and flung open my 
door and sort of lunged at my bed to get my attention, then ran back out 
into the hall and collapsed. I truly felt all of this happening, and was 
quite frightened. I sat up slightly and looked at the door. It was closed. 
I had imagined the whole thing. So vivid!
        The next morning I asked "R" how he'd slept, he said "great."
        We were both very productive during the next day, as well as the 
next week. It was like coming home from a long vacation, anxious to get 
back to work. What a trip! We joke about the whole thing now, and every 
now and then I get a whiff or taste of something that reminds me of the 
HBWR seeds. YUK!!! Used coffee filters do it nicely. Horrible!
        To anyone who is in the situation "R" and I were in, that of 
wanting to experiment, but not knowing where to start, I do NOT 
recommend HBWR seeds. Try MJ first, if you can, and then maybe 
MDMA, if you can, AND THEN move on to something LSD related, if 
not LSD itself. DO NOT START WITH HBWR SEEDS. And, don't start 
anyway if you are a paranoid goofball like "R"!

(Anonymous - Dope Editor)